The bait is strong with this one. I didn’t understand furries I still barely do. That said I learned a good bit about them by making this post. Maybe some of the comments will help you to have more realistic views.
I made my own a while back. Nothing is ever going to convince me that wanting to have sex with roughly human shaped animals is any less creepy and wrong than if they were saying the same about kids.
Some people do. The whole anime girl clearly designed to look and act 10 who it’s “ok” to sexualize because she’s really thousands of years old. WINKWINK
Coming up with imaginary scenarios where it’s suddenly moral to have sex with kids or sheep is super weird and creepy.
Some guy in that thread defended it by saying that some people get off eating shit and it’s not alright to make fun of that. Yes, it’s definitely fine to say that getting off eating shit is creepy and abnormal. He might have been the same one who said that not all furries are in to kids. It didn’t help do anything other than sketch me out even harder.
I say all of this completely cognizant of where we are having this discussion. I personally am strongly againt lolicon drawings of any kind, to the point I think it should be illegal material. Treated with slightly less severity than CSAM. I don’t view that as “kink” I view it as genuine evil and dangerous material. I’m also not personally into anything non human. That said, I think there is a pretty large distinction between a furry drawing two furries fucking and someone drawing a German shepard fucking a lady. The latter maybe could even be classed in the same realm as lolicon. The former though, thats just consenting adults with extra imagination. I’m not seeing the throughline you are between furries and pedophiles. Humans are humans, kids are kids, animals are animals and furries are a fourth who gives a fuck category the way I see it. So, in your estimation, what’s okay/Kink and whats not?
I don’t really have a list of sexual kinks I’m a fan of or dislike. Anything forcibly involving non-consenting participants, whether they’re aware of that fact or not, I definitely see as being wrong.
There are over 8 billion people in the world with tens of thousands of combinations of cultures, ethnicities, religions, regional histories, and socioeconomic backgrounds. We’re not all going to agree on the morality of anything. Too many people online have decided to see simple honesty about that from people who feel differently about things than they do as hatred.
So you are a committed vegan, right? Since imposing confinement, forced impregnation and slaughter on unconsenting animals in real life is clearly a lot worse than wanting to fuck them in a fantasy.
That’s a real sheep take. If a lot of people do it then it’s normal human behaviour. If you wanna apply some prescriptive values to that based on some moral ideas you have and say that common behaviour is wrong you’re gonna need to be consistent about the consequences. If you’re justifying your idea of its wrongness in terms of sentience and consent you can’t just then drop that for the thing that you like to do. Either you’ve got values or you don’t.
Equating a basic necessity to remain alive with getting personal sexual gratification from animals is a view most people in the world would consider strange. Eating meat is historically a normal human activity. Fucking nonhuman animals is not. There is no mysterious conflict in that outside of your own head.
Furries don’t engage in non consensual acts by and large. It feels like this is just something you don’t connect with so it makes you uncomfortable. Because you’re uncomfortable you’re railing against it extra hard. Claiming people just see what your saying as hatered seems reasonable. You’re connecting consenting adults participating in innocuous (admittedly strange) behavior with actual pedophilia/zoophilia. That’s an easily hateable position. It’s definitely reasonable to push against that.
Furries don’t engage in non consensual acts by and large.
You asked “in your estimation, what’s okay/Kink and whats not?” right up there. I was answering that question. I never connected furries to it at all.
I’m not railing against it. It doesn’t make me uncomfortable, but it does trigger a disgust response. It’s at odds with my values and morals. It seems sort of like seeing people eat dog meat or something. A sexual desire for imaginary beings based on animals is weird as all hell to me. I’m not the one who chose to use animals. They did. When someone is a fan of sexualized images of vaguely human shaped animals that connects itself to zoophilia, it doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to do that.
There’s a big difference between giving your honest opinion on a thing and actively hating a thing. And a difference again between that and being intolerant and falling to violence against those who don’t see the world and the things in it in the same light that you do.
The only thing you were able to list not being okay with was non consensual acts. I specifically asked the question to understand what about furries is against your moral compass. From what you’re saying its just that you think its weird. Which is fine, but a different animal from pedophilia/zoophilia completely. It being weird/not your thing makes sense, it being against your morals/values doesn’t. Based on what you’ve said. Again I really want to understand how you’re connecting it to pedophilia/lolicon. Also, I don’t understand what you’re trying to explain in that last paragraph at all.
Even without actual animals I still see it as likely a group that people with certain mental illnesses are attracted to that encourages them to sexualize imaginary animals. It doesn’t seem like there is any healthy outcome from that. At best it’s encouraging sexual attraction to something that doesn’t exist, and at worst those things that don’t exist look like a cross between humans who do exist and animals who do exist and that could cause people to fall on the wrong size of that actual animals part.
The pedophile and animal art are two big things people are often going to encounter on the internet. Sexualized animated images of children, animals, and children-animals are far from uncommon. Go scroll Reddit for a bit and see how many young looking horse-girls or whatever the popular theme of the moment is that you run in to. Neither of them seem like things that could be healthy. The sort of thing that should be discouraged and not encouraged.
I met a 20 something year old in prison who had molested one of his relatives. When he was out after that sentence his parole officer checked his phone and found videos of him fucking the family dog. He went back to prison for that. It would be much more surprising to find out he’d never seen any of that ‘art’ than to find out he had a big stash of it.
Which mental illnesses? I haven’t used reddit in a long time but I thought lolicon was expressly forbidden there. I’ve also never seen either randomly on the internet, only inadvertently running into it while looking for porn to watch. So I wouldn’t say its an internet thing as much as a porn thing. Would you subscribe to the idea that playing violent video games, listening to heavy metal or watching violent movies makes people engage in violence?
The bait is strong with this one. I didn’t understand furries I still barely do. That said I learned a good bit about them by making this post. Maybe some of the comments will help you to have more realistic views.
https://lemmy.world/post/47671901
I made my own a while back. Nothing is ever going to convince me that wanting to have sex with roughly human shaped animals is any less creepy and wrong than if they were saying the same about kids.
Some people do. The whole anime girl clearly designed to look and act 10 who it’s “ok” to sexualize because she’s really thousands of years old. WINKWINK
Coming up with imaginary scenarios where it’s suddenly moral to have sex with kids or sheep is super weird and creepy.
Some guy in that thread defended it by saying that some people get off eating shit and it’s not alright to make fun of that. Yes, it’s definitely fine to say that getting off eating shit is creepy and abnormal. He might have been the same one who said that not all furries are in to kids. It didn’t help do anything other than sketch me out even harder.
I say all of this completely cognizant of where we are having this discussion. I personally am strongly againt lolicon drawings of any kind, to the point I think it should be illegal material. Treated with slightly less severity than CSAM. I don’t view that as “kink” I view it as genuine evil and dangerous material. I’m also not personally into anything non human. That said, I think there is a pretty large distinction between a furry drawing two furries fucking and someone drawing a German shepard fucking a lady. The latter maybe could even be classed in the same realm as lolicon. The former though, thats just consenting adults with extra imagination. I’m not seeing the throughline you are between furries and pedophiles. Humans are humans, kids are kids, animals are animals and furries are a fourth who gives a fuck category the way I see it. So, in your estimation, what’s okay/Kink and whats not?
I don’t really have a list of sexual kinks I’m a fan of or dislike. Anything forcibly involving non-consenting participants, whether they’re aware of that fact or not, I definitely see as being wrong.
There are over 8 billion people in the world with tens of thousands of combinations of cultures, ethnicities, religions, regional histories, and socioeconomic backgrounds. We’re not all going to agree on the morality of anything. Too many people online have decided to see simple honesty about that from people who feel differently about things than they do as hatred.
So you are a committed vegan, right? Since imposing confinement, forced impregnation and slaughter on unconsenting animals in real life is clearly a lot worse than wanting to fuck them in a fantasy.
Eating meat is normal human behavior. Fantasizing about fucking nonhuman animals is not.
That’s a real sheep take. If a lot of people do it then it’s normal human behaviour. If you wanna apply some prescriptive values to that based on some moral ideas you have and say that common behaviour is wrong you’re gonna need to be consistent about the consequences. If you’re justifying your idea of its wrongness in terms of sentience and consent you can’t just then drop that for the thing that you like to do. Either you’ve got values or you don’t.
Equating a basic necessity to remain alive with getting personal sexual gratification from animals is a view most people in the world would consider strange. Eating meat is historically a normal human activity. Fucking nonhuman animals is not. There is no mysterious conflict in that outside of your own head.
Furries don’t engage in non consensual acts by and large. It feels like this is just something you don’t connect with so it makes you uncomfortable. Because you’re uncomfortable you’re railing against it extra hard. Claiming people just see what your saying as hatered seems reasonable. You’re connecting consenting adults participating in innocuous (admittedly strange) behavior with actual pedophilia/zoophilia. That’s an easily hateable position. It’s definitely reasonable to push against that.
You asked “in your estimation, what’s okay/Kink and whats not?” right up there. I was answering that question. I never connected furries to it at all.
I’m not railing against it. It doesn’t make me uncomfortable, but it does trigger a disgust response. It’s at odds with my values and morals. It seems sort of like seeing people eat dog meat or something. A sexual desire for imaginary beings based on animals is weird as all hell to me. I’m not the one who chose to use animals. They did. When someone is a fan of sexualized images of vaguely human shaped animals that connects itself to zoophilia, it doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to do that.
There’s a big difference between giving your honest opinion on a thing and actively hating a thing. And a difference again between that and being intolerant and falling to violence against those who don’t see the world and the things in it in the same light that you do.
The only thing you were able to list not being okay with was non consensual acts. I specifically asked the question to understand what about furries is against your moral compass. From what you’re saying its just that you think its weird. Which is fine, but a different animal from pedophilia/zoophilia completely. It being weird/not your thing makes sense, it being against your morals/values doesn’t. Based on what you’ve said. Again I really want to understand how you’re connecting it to pedophilia/lolicon. Also, I don’t understand what you’re trying to explain in that last paragraph at all.
Even without actual animals I still see it as likely a group that people with certain mental illnesses are attracted to that encourages them to sexualize imaginary animals. It doesn’t seem like there is any healthy outcome from that. At best it’s encouraging sexual attraction to something that doesn’t exist, and at worst those things that don’t exist look like a cross between humans who do exist and animals who do exist and that could cause people to fall on the wrong size of that actual animals part.
The pedophile and animal art are two big things people are often going to encounter on the internet. Sexualized animated images of children, animals, and children-animals are far from uncommon. Go scroll Reddit for a bit and see how many young looking horse-girls or whatever the popular theme of the moment is that you run in to. Neither of them seem like things that could be healthy. The sort of thing that should be discouraged and not encouraged.
I met a 20 something year old in prison who had molested one of his relatives. When he was out after that sentence his parole officer checked his phone and found videos of him fucking the family dog. He went back to prison for that. It would be much more surprising to find out he’d never seen any of that ‘art’ than to find out he had a big stash of it.
Which mental illnesses? I haven’t used reddit in a long time but I thought lolicon was expressly forbidden there. I’ve also never seen either randomly on the internet, only inadvertently running into it while looking for porn to watch. So I wouldn’t say its an internet thing as much as a porn thing. Would you subscribe to the idea that playing violent video games, listening to heavy metal or watching violent movies makes people engage in violence?